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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby J2 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:45 pm

I have his motor mid build on the bench, been waiting for an sip order which showed up today. build is gonna be as follows: pinasco cylinder, 60mm mazzy crank, new gears, and a cosa clutch. should be a solid reliable touring setup with power to spare.
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby jeffreyned » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:30 pm

That sounds good. Especially with his frequent long trips down here. Makes sense. 8)
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby spiderwebb » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:24 pm

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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby spiderwebb » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:07 pm

add this if your going static ignition....

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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Grahamcracker » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:36 pm

it runs!
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby joe » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:11 pm

Grahamcracker wrote:it runs!


awesome! how long for run-in? 1000 miles?
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Grahamcracker » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:42 pm

500 miles, the only thing in the motor that is really breaking in, is the rings. Nikasil doesn't really break in from what JJ has told me.
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby spiderwebb » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:04 pm

Grahamcracker wrote:it runs!

8) 8)

after 3 heat cycles do check the top end bolts for spec as you know to do...
and the exhaust flange for leaks every 15th ride
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby joe » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:37 pm

Grahamcracker wrote:500 miles, the only thing in the motor that is really breaking in, is the rings. Nikasil doesn't really break in from what JJ has told me.


cool, 3 weeks of city riding and you should be good to go then. I did 1000 run-in on the Lambretta in 6 weeks. the first 100 or so miles are the toughest as you dial your carb in and shit loosens up
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby spiderwebb » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:16 am

what happened with that "miss" that you called about today...??

hope it is a just a loose / bad wire / ground...

might want to pop off the flywheel and look around...
only takes a few mins and if you find the issue your 1/2 way done with the fix. I had a wire once that would move out from the stator and rub on the inner side of the flywheel (only when the rpms were above 2500rpms) = then short out the spark energy = loose power / "miss". Magnetics pull metal wires... go figure.

do it and also check that the stator wires where they exit the case are protected by heat shrink wrap or rubber tape = can ground here too = no spark
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Grahamcracker » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:04 am

I just picked up a flywheel puller last night from patrick, so i'll tackle into the project soon
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Grahamcracker » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:24 pm

Things that got done that may have solved the issue i was having with the motor cutting out revving above 1/8th throttle:

-retarded the timing a bit
-found a bit of dried mud covering one of the sensor thingys on the top of the ignition coil, not sure if this would have cause any issues but seems like it could...
-checked for any fraying wires
-moved the cdi to the outside of the frame on the left side of the body.
-I also moved all that other electric junk that was on the outside of the frame to the inside of the frame underneath the gas tank

Issue seems to be solved for now so that's good :mrgreen:
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Tuna Cowboy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:20 pm

probably a loose wire that you fixed. retarding can raise heat temps so just be careful. i assume you are only running EFP or at the very least premium?
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Grahamcracker » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:15 pm

i'm not doing any crazy riding, just running it in and i've been keeping my eyes on the egt/cht.
from what others that have done this same setup, the general consensus is 18-19 btdc. I don't have a timing strobe to check right now, but i saw it was set to where it was originally when the piston was holed.
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Re: Graham's P200e thread.

Postby Dave » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:33 pm

However you can, you need to establish the correct timing and then make sure it is set accurately or you can end up with another blown engine. For ex. a malossi 210 is 18 deg BTDC on the vespa
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